Lawsuit filed to stop CERN sucking us all into an alternate universe

The Trekkies among us will know all about alternate universes – alternate worlds with different versions of ourselves. So while I’m sitting here writing this, there could be another version of me out there ruling the earth fighting Flash Gordon. Or another version of me out there as a filthy rich porn star living in a mansion.

While browsing my RSS feeds this morning, I discovered that CERN has developed the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) , which is an atom smasher, and apparently an unhappy botanist is suing to have the start of the LHC delayed. Why? Because he thinks that the people controlling the LHC will screw up, create a minature black hole and suck everything into an alternate universe.

It seems that the LHC overall is a rather controversial project with many safety concerns. But what do you think? Do you think the LHC is too risky and must be stopped? Or do you think that in order to find out more about the world, risks have to be taken?

If you’re interested to find out more, here’s something I found on YouTube about the LHC. Parts two and three can be found on YouTube itself if you want to continue watching.

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88 Responses to Lawsuit filed to stop CERN sucking us all into an alternate universe

  1. I'm getting really sick of the people trying to put the launch of the LHC off. Unless one of them provides a valid argument with actual reasons as to why some of their fears may actually occur, then they should just be ignored. "BIG CANNON? MUST CAUSE BLACK HOLES THAT SUCK US INTO PARALLEL UNIVERSES" is not a valid argument.

    • It is possible that this Universe in 35 days does not exist anymore. And these are not esoterists these are scientists who think so.

      Safety of this project should be reviewed or our Universe may be gone. Sucked up into a black hole actually.

      CERN LHC will be in production mode on the 21. of May 2008

    • Anyway, if we do go into an alternate reality, we probably wouldn't notice. Things would just be slightly different, that's all.

      And if the earth was sucked thought, we would be on the same earth with the same stuff. These paranoia stories are a load of bulls**t.

      On the other hand, we never needed this thing anyway. The money could be far better spent.

  2. I’m getting really sick of the people trying to put the launch of the LHC off. Unless one of them provides a valid argument with actual reasons as to why some of their fears may actually occur, then they should just be ignored. “BIG CANNON? MUST CAUSE BLACK HOLES THAT SUCK US INTO PARALLEL UNIVERSES” is not a valid argument.

    • It is possible that this Universe in 35 days does not exist anymore. And these are not esoterists these are scientists who think so.

      Safety of this project should be reviewed or our Universe may be gone. Sucked up into a black hole actually.

      CERN LHC will be in production mode on the 21. of May 2008

    • Anyway, if we do go into an alternate reality, we probably wouldn’t notice. Things would just be slightly different, that’s all.

      And if the earth was sucked thought, we would be on the same earth with the same stuff. These paranoia stories are a load of bulls**t.

      On the other hand, we never needed this thing anyway. The money could be far better spent.

  3. Fen, give US an argument that this will NOT produce a mini-blackhole and I will agree with you. WHAT THE HELL do you know about what will happen there? What if you were to experiment a nuclear bomb thinking that it's only a microwave oven? There are 50% or more that on the day the LHC will power on, some catastrophic event will happen, why the hell do we need to risk that? Even if it doesn't, will that experiment make you live better? Will you be happier with your life? Do you know that all the security feeling about this experiment comes from an unproven theory of S.Hawking? Do you think that a sour human being, trapped inside a slowly dying body, really loves life? I bet he's been cursing the universe ever since he got his curse. And he'll be laughing at us when the new big bang happens.

    • I think that it is uncalled for for you to insult Stephen Hawking and his disease. Even if he is wrong about black holes, it doesn't necessarily means that he wants to kill everyone, or would even be happy that it happened.

  4. Hawking Radiation, the unwitnessed black hole theory that suppose to keep earth safe when the Large Hadron Collider creates Micro Black Holes in a month, has already been proven to be in error when Stephen Hawking lost a bet to John Preskill of Caltech back in 2004. Stephen Hawking then recalculated his figures to keep his theory in name afloat. And we're suppose to accept theory and let CERN risk the whole planet so they can shout "Told you so!"

    What I like to know from CERN is the Earth in danger if Hawking Radiation proves to be in error again, not evaporating micro black holes so they wont grow?

    Stephen Hawking is only famous because his original theory which was in error for over 30 years made him famous, so are we to trust his new theory of the same name now?

    The CERN site as well as their site for the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) wont even state the Hawking Radiation theory since it has been proven to be in error, but states a process by Stephen Hawking, the man who made the error, will keep earth safe.

    All this can be Google.

    To CERN supporters, I know this will get under your skin. Please counter this comment with intelligent comments.

    School us, and not just spout CERN's rhetoric with colorful insults, minus anything to prove they're right.

    Save the swiftboating for BushCo.

  5. Hawking Radiation, the unwitnessed black hole theory that suppose to keep earth safe when the Large Hadron Collider creates Micro Black Holes in a month, has already been proven to be in error when Stephen Hawking lost a bet to John Preskill of Caltech back in 2004. Stephen Hawking then recalculated his figures to keep his theory in name afloat. And we’re suppose to accept theory and let CERN risk the whole planet so they can shout “Told you so!”

    What I like to know from CERN is the Earth in danger if Hawking Radiation proves to be in error again, not evaporating micro black holes so they wont grow?

    Stephen Hawking is only famous because his original theory which was in error for over 30 years made him famous, so are we to trust his new theory of the same name now?

    The CERN site as well as their site for the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) wont even state the Hawking Radiation theory since it has been proven to be in error, but states a process by Stephen Hawking, the man who made the error, will keep earth safe.

    All this can be Google.

    To CERN supporters, I know this will get under your skin. Please counter this comment with intelligent comments.

    School us, and not just spout CERN’s rhetoric with colorful insults, minus anything to prove they’re right.

    Save the swiftboating for BushCo.

  6. CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

    This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports don't prove safety anymore.

    They are from 1999.

    PLEASE VISIT http://WWW.NOTEPAD.CH

  7. We all know that the world top scientists in the world are working on this.

    But due to political and military pressure, the CERN has absolutely to keep the 21. May and specially the July deadline.

    The new safety report has not yet been delivered – but was promised, all the warm up tests have been cancelled.

    Running such a thing as the CERN requires lots of money and the customers are waiting.

    You COULD NOT BELIEVE how much the possible inventions out of this are important for the interestes of the army.

    Please, just read. Don't at all feel pressured to act. You are your own judge.

    http://www.notepad.ch

  8. CERN has cancelled all warm up tests for LHC in order to keep the deadline. The already lost nearly 3 years after a large explosion in the 27 km tunnel system below Geneva where the want to collide particels at speed over light speed (400000 km per second). Now the are under a lot of pressure by politicians, the military and its own management.

    This system is not ready. The new safety report has not been released. The old reports don't prove safety anymore.

    They are from 1999.

    PLEASE VISIT http://WWW.NOTEPAD.CH

  9. We all know that the world top scientists in the world are working on this.

    But due to political and military pressure, the CERN has absolutely to keep the 21. May and specially the July deadline.

    The new safety report has not yet been delivered – but was promised, all the warm up tests have been cancelled.

    Running such a thing as the CERN requires lots of money and the customers are waiting.

    You COULD NOT BELIEVE how much the possible inventions out of this are important for the interestes of the army.

    Please, just read. Don't at all feel pressured to act. You are your own judge.

    http://www.notepad.ch

  10. Personally, I think sucking the planet into a black hole is a great idea. Get rid of all spam and all Real Estate Agents in one go. Turn it on… I wanna see what happens :D

  11. Personally, I think sucking the planet into a black hole is a great idea. Get rid of all spam and all Real Estate Agents in one go. Turn it on… I wanna see what happens :D

  12. Mini black holes, if they are created, will be so tiny and live for such short lifetimes that there is absolutely no chance that they will suck anything in, let alone the Earth.

    Remember that black holes are only as strong as the mass they contain. Mini ones made from several sub-atomic particles will be incredibly weak. There is a reason why the only people who are worried about this aren't physicists. The question was asked by physicists before the LHC was built, and the answer was found to be a conclusive no. Unfortunately, a lot of people have yet to get their facts straight.

    • All of the reasons you stated for the CERN not causing a stable black hole are THEORY.

      You wrote:

      "The question was asked by physicists before the LHC was built, and the answer was found to be a conclusive no."

      That is false. I haven't seen one person from CERN say "no". It's always "we don't think" or "very small chance". The "scientists" in this video lied. The woman said "The black holes wouldn't be dangerous, they would decay right away." Shes says this as fact, yet every other scientist says that this is a theory. Again, she states this as a fact. As a fact. As a fact. Do you get it? They are trying to dupe us. Then the guy said "These black holes actually evaporate as soon as they're produced." He is trying to state this as a FACT. It is not a fact. It is a theory. An untested, unproven theory that nobody can state as a fact. Until we know for sure, we should not do the experiment. If we have to do the experiment to find out, then it is not worth knowing.

      • Hmmm, I guess you were wrong. Before you get into another scientific argument understand what words mean. In order for something to be theory it has to be rigorously tested in many circumstances and overwhelmingly backed up by evidence, otherwise it is a hypothesis. This is a basic concept learned in beginning science courses (called the scientific method).

        As a reminder, Columbus had a theory (backed by many scientists' experiments) that the world was round. It turns out that sometimes the only way to really find things out is to plug stuff in and see if it works. Besides, is your or anybody else's life really so exciting we can't do a little science experiment?

  13. Mini black holes, if they are created, will be so tiny and live for such short lifetimes that there is absolutely no chance that they will suck anything in, let alone the Earth.

    Remember that black holes are only as strong as the mass they contain. Mini ones made from several sub-atomic particles will be incredibly weak. There is a reason why the only people who are worried about this aren’t physicists. The question was asked by physicists before the LHC was built, and the answer was found to be a conclusive no. Unfortunately, a lot of people have yet to get their facts straight.

    • All of the reasons you stated for the CERN not causing a stable black hole are THEORY.

      You wrote:
      “The question was asked by physicists before the LHC was built, and the answer was found to be a conclusive no.”

      That is false. I haven’t seen one person from CERN say “no”. It’s always “we don’t think” or “very small chance”. The “scientists” in this video lied. The woman said “The black holes wouldn’t be dangerous, they would decay right away.” Shes says this as fact, yet every other scientist says that this is a theory. Again, she states this as a fact. As a fact. As a fact. Do you get it? They are trying to dupe us. Then the guy said “These black holes actually evaporate as soon as they’re produced.” He is trying to state this as a FACT. It is not a fact. It is a theory. An untested, unproven theory that nobody can state as a fact. Until we know for sure, we should not do the experiment. If we have to do the experiment to find out, then it is not worth knowing.

      • Hmmm, I guess you were wrong. Before you get into another scientific argument understand what words mean. In order for something to be theory it has to be rigorously tested in many circumstances and overwhelmingly backed up by evidence, otherwise it is a hypothesis. This is a basic concept learned in beginning science courses (called the scientific method).

        As a reminder, Columbus had a theory (backed by many scientists’ experiments) that the world was round. It turns out that sometimes the only way to really find things out is to plug stuff in and see if it works. Besides, is your or anybody else’s life really so exciting we can’t do a little science experiment?

  14. 'There is a reason why the only people who are worried about this aren’t physicists.'

    Alex

    I must disagree with this, Alex.

    I have found quite a lot of scientists who disapprove with the small black hole / no danger hypothesis.

    The lawsuit which was placed in March at the district judge in Honolulu explains quite well the main issues (see http://www.notepad.ch/blogs/index.php/legal/).

    If you have a look at the articles in my blog – you will see for yourself.

    admin

    notepad.ch

  15. 'There is a reason why the only people who are worried about this aren’t physicists.'

    Alex

    I must disagree with this, Alex.

    I have found quite a lot of scientists who disapprove with the small black hole / no danger hypothesis.

    The lawsuit which was placed in March at the district judge in Honolulu explains quite well the main issues (see http://www.notepad.ch/blogs/index.php/legal/).

    If you have a look at the articles in my blog – you will see for yourself.

    admin

    notepad.ch

  16. Q: Why all the concern now?

    When funding for the LHC was approved decades ago, scientists believed that there was no reasonable danger. But then scientists discovered a few years ago that the LHC might create something called a micro black hole, and CERN then predicted that it might create micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second. And the creation of just 1 micro black hole could potentially destroy the planet in our lifetime.

    Q: But surely no scientist would purposefully destroy the planet, that is just not credible!

    No, the scientists would not purposefully destroy the planet! But they might do it by accident and they might take risks that are much much higher than they are willing to tell you they might. Just like the managers that recommended Launching the Shuttle Challenger did not believe that it would explode. They knew there might be a reasonable risk because their engineers told them there might be a reasonable risk. But the managers said (paraphrase) “there is no proof of reasonable risk… launch!”

  17. Q: Why all the concern now?
    When funding for the LHC was approved decades ago, scientists believed that there was no reasonable danger. But then scientists discovered a few years ago that the LHC might create something called a micro black hole, and CERN then predicted that it might create micro black holes at a rate of 1 per second. And the creation of just 1 micro black hole could potentially destroy the planet in our lifetime.
    Q: But surely no scientist would purposefully destroy the planet, that is just not credible!
    No, the scientists would not purposefully destroy the planet! But they might do it by accident and they might take risks that are much much higher than they are willing to tell you they might. Just like the managers that recommended Launching the Shuttle Challenger did not believe that it would explode. They knew there might be a reasonable risk because their engineers told them there might be a reasonable risk. But the managers said (paraphrase) “there is no proof of reasonable risk… launch!”

  18. What is the real reason for this project? Why spend 10 billion dollars to see particles collide? Is it really worth the risk? Steven Hawking is no Albert Einstein and I don't have much faith in his theory of mini-black holes "evaporating". If the LHC creates mini-black holes that do not evaporate, strangelets or monopoles, the planet is f@#ked. Even if there's a 0.001% chance of a risk to the planet, the LHC should not be turned on.

      • Amen to that amen. There is a fundamental imbalance between the risk and the potential gain. Are we really prepared to stake the existence of us, our children etc. on the musings of a discredited physicist? Are we prepared to say our planet is worth less than the $10b potentially wasted on this project?

        Only if there was truly NO RISK AT ALL could this even possibly be an ethical activation.

        Consider this, if you will:

        Beethoven, Aristotle, Plato, Hokusai, Christ, Buddha, language, music, art, beauty, love, all gone as if they had never existed and all for the Higg's Boson.

  19. What is the real reason for this project? Why spend 10 billion dollars to see particles collide? Is it really worth the risk? Steven Hawking is no Albert Einstein and I don’t have much faith in his theory of mini-black holes “evaporating”. If the LHC creates mini-black holes that do not evaporate, strangelets or monopoles, the planet is f@#ked. Even if there’s a 0.001% chance of a risk to the planet, the LHC should not be turned on.

      • Amen to that amen. There is a fundamental imbalance between the risk and the potential gain. Are we really prepared to stake the existence of us, our children etc. on the musings of a discredited physicist? Are we prepared to say our planet is worth less than the $10b potentially wasted on this project?

        Only if there was truly NO RISK AT ALL could this even possibly be an ethical activation.

        Consider this, if you will:
        Beethoven, Aristotle, Plato, Hokusai, Christ, Buddha, language, music, art, beauty, love, all gone as if they had never existed and all for the Higg’s Boson.

  20. How can we stop this experiment, does anybody know how to protest on the net? how to do something?

    i really won't let my life by risked by some lunatics!

    • It's an excellent question. The complete lack of information being deseminated to the public is of great concern to me. If there is a risk, which many scientists, even those at CERN, admit there is, then the human race deserves to know and to have right of reply against their contemporaries.

      Scientists are not gods, they are only human beings, just like you and me. They have the same complacencies, blind spots and self-interest that we all do.

      Over the centuries, man-kind has developed safe-guards against rash decision making, and CERN, at least initially, totally flouted these safe-guards. Internal safety checks are not the same as impartial analyses, peer-reviewing is useless when all but a few in that review process are desperate for it to go ahead.

      Most of us (I include myself) live in a closed world where their interests rule their lives, and scientists are no different. Philosophers, ethicists and even religious leaders (who, though greatly misguided in certain ways, are often wise and philanthropic) should have been consulted, rather than relying on a collection of blinkered theoretical physicists.

      If you were discussing the development of a new nuclear weapon, would you ask the military if it was ethical to use it? Would you ask manufacturers of ever more advanced computer systems if they thought there should be a limit to their development? The answer to these questions, sadly, is probably yes.

      Humanity, it seems to me, has an ever-greater capacity for thought and knowledge, but an ever-diminishing resource of wisdom and philosophy. The rise of a nihilistic atheism may be to blame for this, not that I oppose atheistic ideas, or it may be just a part of human evolution. Either way, it erodes fundamental aspects of our humanity, which, though they cannot be observed by science, are nonetheless important.

      "Grind the universe to a fine dust and show me one grain of justice, one particle of love, one speck of mercy." – Paraphrased.

  21. How can we stop this experiment, does anybody know how to protest on the net? how to do something?

    i really won’t let my life by risked by some lunatics!

    • It’s an excellent question. The complete lack of information being deseminated to the public is of great concern to me. If there is a risk, which many scientists, even those at CERN, admit there is, then the human race deserves to know and to have right of reply against their contemporaries.

      Scientists are not gods, they are only human beings, just like you and me. They have the same complacencies, blind spots and self-interest that we all do.

      Over the centuries, man-kind has developed safe-guards against rash decision making, and CERN, at least initially, totally flouted these safe-guards. Internal safety checks are not the same as impartial analyses, peer-reviewing is useless when all but a few in that review process are desperate for it to go ahead.

      Most of us (I include myself) live in a closed world where their interests rule their lives, and scientists are no different. Philosophers, ethicists and even religious leaders (who, though greatly misguided in certain ways, are often wise and philanthropic) should have been consulted, rather than relying on a collection of blinkered theoretical physicists.

      If you were discussing the development of a new nuclear weapon, would you ask the military if it was ethical to use it? Would you ask manufacturers of ever more advanced computer systems if they thought there should be a limit to their development? The answer to these questions, sadly, is probably yes.

      Humanity, it seems to me, has an ever-greater capacity for thought and knowledge, but an ever-diminishing resource of wisdom and philosophy. The rise of a nihilistic atheism may be to blame for this, not that I oppose atheistic ideas, or it may be just a part of human evolution. Either way, it erodes fundamental aspects of our humanity, which, though they cannot be observed by science, are nonetheless important.

      “Grind the universe to a fine dust and show me one grain of justice, one particle of love, one speck of mercy.” – Paraphrased.

  22. You know today morning i read in newspaper that

    the black hole (if generated) will suck whole earth in 4 years.

    dont you think today +4 years = 2012. nearby the date 21 dec 2012.

    Why are we giving them enough rope to hang us all.

    i think this type of risky projects should be either banned or should be done only in far universe.

  23. You know today morning i read in newspaper that

    the black hole (if generated) will suck whole earth in 4 years.

    dont you think today +4 years = 2012. nearby the date 21 dec 2012.

    Why are we giving them enough rope to hang us all.

    i think this type of risky projects should be either banned or should be done only in far universe.

  24. Oh, don't be silly. It is likely a very nice alternate universe. No need to get excited.

    No wait! I might be wrong. Better yet to stop all science experiments when we are not absolutely certain of the results. After all, you might accidentally destroy the universe.

    (Fragile little thing, the universe is.)

    If you did not catch the logical impossibility in the above, go back to watching TV.

    Is this the result of confusing TV and movie science fiction with science? Given most screenwriters did poorly at what few science classes they were forced to take … not a whole lot of science in the fiction.

    I rather enjoy the Star Trek series, but when you can see out a ship's window, you know very little science is involved. Pop quiz: estimate the speed of the ship in Star Trek by looking out the window. Hint – the answer is completely incompatible with all the scripts.

  25. Oh, don’t be silly. It is likely a very nice alternate universe. No need to get excited.

    No wait! I might be wrong. Better yet to stop all science experiments when we are not absolutely certain of the results. After all, you might accidentally destroy the universe.

    (Fragile little thing, the universe is.)

    If you did not catch the logical impossibility in the above, go back to watching TV.

    Is this the result of confusing TV and movie science fiction with science? Given most screenwriters did poorly at what few science classes they were forced to take … not a whole lot of science in the fiction.

    I rather enjoy the Star Trek series, but when you can see out a ship’s window, you know very little science is involved. Pop quiz: estimate the speed of the ship in Star Trek by looking out the window. Hint – the answer is completely incompatible with all the scripts.

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  27. Yup this is going to be the end of the world. I remember when the end of the world also happened in 2000.

  28. Yup this is going to be the end of the world. I remember when the end of the world also happened in 2000.

  29. Authoritative astrophysicist Dr Rainer Plaga finds significant gaps in the CERN in-house LSAG safety study. His detailed quantitative analysis published August 10, 2008 comes to the conclusion that "at the present stage of knowledge there is a definite risk from Micro Black Hole production at colliders.”

  30. Authoritative astrophysicist Dr Rainer Plaga finds significant gaps in the CERN in-house LSAG safety study. His detailed quantitative analysis published August 10, 2008 comes to the conclusion that “at the present stage of knowledge there is a definite risk from Micro Black Hole production at colliders.”

  31. TOMMOROW WOW, It would be great if something happened. Just think our generation would maybe go down in history. It makes us special. Aliens in the far future might find some traces of what was the universe or something. And strange matter. Wow I would like to see that!!!!!!!!

  32. TOMMOROW WOW, It would be great if something happened. Just think our generation would maybe go down in history. It makes us special. Aliens in the far future might find some traces of what was the universe or something. And strange matter. Wow I would like to see that!!!!!!!!

  33. At least we wouldn't have to worry about global warming anymore.

    Seriously, if you people want to have a worry-fest about something, why not have a look into: global warming; the imminent economic crisis in the US; McCain's idiotic idea about invading Iran; this disgustingly over-populated, over-exploited planet of ours… the list goes on.

    Go ahead. Knock yourselves out.

  34. At least we wouldn’t have to worry about global warming anymore.

    Seriously, if you people want to have a worry-fest about something, why not have a look into: global warming; the imminent economic crisis in the US; McCain’s idiotic idea about invading Iran; this disgustingly over-populated, over-exploited planet of ours… the list goes on.

    Go ahead. Knock yourselves out.

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  36. Dont do it.. We dont want to know answers if it may lead to complete and utter anhilation of this wonderful earth and our lives. Life means more. Let people believe what they want. No one has the right to experiment with such a high risk to life on this planet .. GENEVA SHAME ON YOU! You should know better. The GENEVA CONVENTION is suppose to step in and protect all life on this planet. WHERE ARE YOU? I am one voice very much speaking for the vast majority when I say DO NOT CARY OUT THIS EXPERIMENT.. The world sais NO. The possibilities of the unknown should be left alone in the name of LIFE as we know it. TO HELL WITH SCIENCE for thats where we are all headed if the shit hits the fan here people..

  37. I think that it is uncalled for for you to insult Stephen Hawking and his disease. Even if he is wrong about black holes, it doesn’t necessarily means that he wants to kill everyone, or would even be happy that it happened.

  38. Wow! After reading the page full of comments by ignorant morons I just had to comment so that I may enlighten the unintelligible masses, or at least not lose anymore brain cells from reading drivel spewed out by unintellectual, uneducated idiots.

    First off, there is always a chance something could go wrong. While not impossible, it is improbable. Even certainty itself is at times uncertain.

    Secondly, have any of you actually done any research on the science going on here? Or at the very least read the safety report?

    I futilely hope that the idiots posting the how "it's the end of the world," and how "we must stop them!" aren't any of the feeble minded citizens in my country; the good old US of A. It's people like you who are holding back the advancement of human kind.

  39. Wow! After reading the page full of comments by ignorant morons I just had to comment so that I may enlighten the unintelligible masses, or at least not lose anymore brain cells from reading drivel spewed out by unintellectual, uneducated idiots.

    First off, there is always a chance something could go wrong. While not impossible, it is improbable. Even certainty itself is at times uncertain.
    Secondly, have any of you actually done any research on the science going on here? Or at the very least read the safety report?
    I futilely hope that the idiots posting the how “it’s the end of the world,” and how “we must stop them!” aren’t any of the feeble minded citizens in my country; the good old US of A. It’s people like you who are holding back the advancement of human kind.