Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos Result of GPS Movement

So, remember about three weeks ago, when some neutrinos traveling between Geneva and the Gran Sasso Lab in Italy arrived about sixty nanoseconds quicker than the speed of light? That was weird. However, on the 14th, Ronald van Elburg at the University of Groningen at the Netherlands seems to have figured it out.  His team calculated the distance between the two stations, then factored in the relativistic motion of the GPS satellites involved.

Although the speed of light is does not depend on the the frame of reference, the time of flight does. In this case, there are two frames of reference: the experiment on the ground and the clocks in orbit. If these are moving relative to each other, then this needs to be factored in.

So what is the satellites’ motion with respect to the OPERA experiment? These probes orbit from West to East in a plane inclined at 55 degrees to the equator. Significantly, that’s roughly in line with the neutrino flight path. Their relative motion is then easy to calculate.

So from the point of view of a clock on board a GPS satellite, the positions of the neutrino source and detector are changing. “From the perspective of the clock, the detector is moving towards the source and consequently the distance travelled by the particles as observed from the clock is shorter,” says van Elburg.

By this he means shorter than the distance measured in the reference frame on the ground.

The OPERA team overlooks this because it thinks of the clocks as on the ground not in orbit.

How big is this effect? Van Elburg calculates that it should cause the neutrinos to arrive 32 nanoseconds early. But this must be doubled because the same error occurs at each end of the experiment. So the total correction is 64 nanoseconds, almost exactly what the OPERA team observes.

Cool! Well done, Van Elburg!

9 Responses to Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos Result of GPS Movement

1. GHO says:

Van Elburg seems to be out of his depth. According to other sources the effect was factored into the results and, to make this a bit of a joke, he himself seems to have used classical formulae to calculat the speeds of the signals and satellites. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Wirbel-um-

• JMG says:

Do they also travel faster than light?

• Ken G says:

Only if they are related to Einstein!

• guest says:

How could a turtle be related to Einstein and why would something be able to travel faster than light just because it is related to Einstein? OK I might be acting a little like an ahole – sorry

2. I'm sick and tired to repeat the same comment around.
1. GPS satelites take into account the relativistic effect and compensate the signal accordingly
2. The OPERA people NEVER used GPS signals for timing
3. The Dutchman who wrote the FTL neutrino refutation obviously never read the original arxiv publication

• It does seem unbelievable that they wouldn't have factored this in from the beginning, if they had used the GPS for timing.

3. You should change the title of this post to say "May be result." You're talking about a possible solution, not something that is the solutions.