Comments on: Brendan the Voyager Discovers the New World 900 Years Before Christopher Columbus? http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/ tech, science, news and social issues for geeks Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:53:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: DonMhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-318898 DonM Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:50:47 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-318898 DNA analysis indicates that some native american tribes are of European ancestry. The Objiway tribe in particular has a large fraction of European markers. I figure people have been crossing the pond in one direction in large numbers than have crossed in two dirctions. Columbus, Brendan, and Leif Eriksen wrote about it. The first person known to sail all around the world was a Fillipino. He had traveled west with Muslims, and Portugese, and eventually took ship with Magellen, and made it back home. DNA analysis indicates that some native american tribes are of European ancestry. The Objiway tribe in particular has a large fraction of European markers.

I figure people have been crossing the pond in one direction in large numbers than have crossed in two dirctions. Columbus, Brendan, and Leif Eriksen wrote about it.

The first person known to sail all around the world was a Fillipino. He had traveled west with Muslims, and Portugese, and eventually took ship with Magellen, and made it back home.

]]> By: Waynehttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-198020 Wayne Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:51:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-198020 It was the Templar s. It was the Templar s.

]]> By: Waynehttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273453 Wayne Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:51:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273453 It was the Templar s. It was the Templar s.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-197258 Andrew Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-197258 No doubt. But my point was, you cannot call him the first to discover and document it. He was just the first to document it in the society which breeded our own. If this society dies out, the next person to 'discover it' will be held up as the example, not him. Which means that he really is no different to Erikson, if you think about it. That's all I was saying. No doubt.

But my point was, you cannot call him the first to discover and document it. He was just the first to document it in the society which breeded our own.

If this society dies out, the next person to 'discover it' will be held up as the example, not him. Which means that he really is no different to Erikson, if you think about it.

That's all I was saying.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273452 Andrew Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273452 No doubt.But my point was, you cannot call him the first to discover and document it. He was just the first to document it in the society which breeded our own.If this society dies out, the next person to 'discover it' will be held up as the example, not him. Which means that he really is no different to Erikson, if you think about it.That's all I was saying. No doubt.

But my point was, you cannot call him the first to discover and document it. He was just the first to document it in the society which breeded our own.

If this society dies out, the next person to ‘discover it’ will be held up as the example, not him. Which means that he really is no different to Erikson, if you think about it.

That’s all I was saying.

]]> By: Chiphttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-197067 Chip Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-197067 It really doesn't matter so much about the label 'discoverer'. What matters is that Columbus ushered in a massive wave of colonization, for good or ill. It really doesn't matter so much about the label 'discoverer'. What matters is that Columbus ushered in a massive wave of colonization, for good or ill.

]]> By: Chiphttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273451 Chip Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273451 It really doesn't matter so much about the label 'discoverer'. What matters is that Columbus ushered in a massive wave of colonization, for good or ill. It really doesn’t matter so much about the label ‘discoverer’. What matters is that Columbus ushered in a massive wave of colonization, for good or ill.

]]> By: Beotrichttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273450 Beotric Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:09:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273450 I agree, except that 'Native Americans' weren't necessarily <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#History" rel="nofollow">always here</a>. I agree, except that 'Native Americans' weren't necessarily always here.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273449 Andrew Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:41:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273449 Wrong. On all sorts of levels: "evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival" Every heard of <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/indigenous" rel="nofollow">"indigenous"</a>. They don't discover anything. They are just there from the start. "But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery" Your teacher was wrong. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland#Location" rel="nofollow">They did document it</a>, they just weren't every successful at projecting it to make sense to other future societies. Just because modern historians can't work out the ramblings doesn't mean the actual people at the time didn't document it. Truth is, Columbus was the most modern person to first document it in his own society and the population of the area didn't stop like the Norse people stopped. That's all. It doesn't mean other people didn't discover and document it first. So yes, your views are very disputable. To the point of being wrong. Wrong. On all sorts of levels:

"evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival"

Every heard of "indigenous". They don't discover anything. They are just there from the start.

"But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery"

Your teacher was wrong. They did document it, they just weren't every successful at projecting it to make sense to other future societies. Just because modern historians can't work out the ramblings doesn't mean the actual people at the time didn't document it.

Truth is, Columbus was the most modern person to first document it in his own society and the population of the area didn't stop like the Norse people stopped. That's all.

It doesn't mean other people didn't discover and document it first. So yes, your views are very disputable. To the point of being wrong.

]]> By: Beotrichttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-197060 Beotric Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:09:22 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-197060 I agree, except that 'Native Americans' weren't necessarily <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#History" rel="nofollow">always here</a>. I agree, except that 'Native Americans' weren't necessarily always here.

]]> By: Stevehttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-197001 Steve Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-197001 This type of thing comes up every time someone wants to get rid of Columbus. It is a foregone conclusion that there were other humans who "discovered" america before Columbus, evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival. But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery, and his trip opened up the americas to western civilization. That cannot be disputed. None of the other "discoverers" came anywhere close to that. This type of thing comes up every time someone wants to get rid of Columbus. It is a foregone conclusion that there were other humans who "discovered" america before Columbus, evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival.

But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery, and his trip opened up the americas to western civilization. That cannot be disputed. None of the other "discoverers" came anywhere close to that.

]]> By: Stevehttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/12/brendan-the-voyager-discovers-the-new-world-900-years-before-chrisopher-columbus/#comment-273448 Steve Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:00 +0000 http://www.geeksaresexy.net/?p=18490#comment-273448 This type of thing comes up every time someone wants to get rid of Columbus. It is a foregone conclusion that there were other humans who "discovered" america before Columbus, evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival.But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery, and his trip opened up the americas to western civilization. That cannot be disputed. None of the other "discoverers" came anywhere close to that. This type of thing comes up every time someone wants to get rid of Columbus. It is a foregone conclusion that there were other humans who “discovered” america before Columbus, evidenced by the native peoples already living here upon his arrival.

But as my history teacher used to say, Columbus was the first to discover AND document the discovery, and his trip opened up the americas to western civilization. That cannot be disputed. None of the other “discoverers” came anywhere close to that.

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