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	<title>Comments on: Is ignorance a valid legal defense for file-sharing?</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Pagan</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98992</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Pagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe a 6 y/o may be too ignorant but not a 16 y/o. Give me a break, I mean, I knew what file sharing was when I was 14! And ten years later some 16 y/o wants to say that she doesn&#039;t know any better? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe a 6 y/o may be too ignorant but not a 16 y/o. Give me a break, I mean, I knew what file sharing was when I was 14! And ten years later some 16 y/o wants to say that she doesn&#8217;t know any better? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Moring</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98886</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Moring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think record companies were too keen to jump on the &#039;digital&#039; bandwagon and have exposed themselves unnecessarily. They should have stuck with CD&#039;s that were&#039;locked&#039; so that they couldn&#039;t be &#039;ripped&#039;.

YES! I believe there are millions of teenagers who believe what professional looking sites say on their pages. Just like most Americans believe the Bull-****&#039; that their press writes about the interior political situation.

Everybody is led by the nose into territory we know nothing about. A couple of years ago EVERYONE was being pressured to take out loans, mortgages etc, with the World Governments happy to go along with the assumption that it was OK. &#039;Things were good&#039;. OH no they weren&#039;t, but I presume you&#039;re now saying that EVERYONE who has now LOST their homes because of government encouragement &#039;Knew&#039; at the time they were doing it that they were committing financial suicide??

Get your act together (in your mind and in your respect for others naivety) The criminals are the site owners who promote the idea that it&#039;s OK to download this stuff, not the person who has been &#039;hoodwinked&#039;.

This teenager should have been let off completely on the condition she does a small commercial &#039;condemning&#039; the sharp practise that &#039;suckered&#039; her and millions of others just because they wanted to host &#039;pay-per-view&#039; &amp; &#039;pay-per-action&#039; advertising which will have earned them probably Millions.

Pete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think record companies were too keen to jump on the &#8216;digital&#8217; bandwagon and have exposed themselves unnecessarily. They should have stuck with CD&#8217;s that were&#8217;locked&#8217; so that they couldn&#8217;t be &#8216;ripped&#8217;.</p>
<p>YES! I believe there are millions of teenagers who believe what professional looking sites say on their pages. Just like most Americans believe the Bull-****&#8217; that their press writes about the interior political situation.</p>
<p>Everybody is led by the nose into territory we know nothing about. A couple of years ago EVERYONE was being pressured to take out loans, mortgages etc, with the World Governments happy to go along with the assumption that it was OK. &#8216;Things were good&#8217;. OH no they weren&#8217;t, but I presume you&#8217;re now saying that EVERYONE who has now LOST their homes because of government encouragement &#8216;Knew&#8217; at the time they were doing it that they were committing financial suicide??</p>
<p>Get your act together (in your mind and in your respect for others naivety) The criminals are the site owners who promote the idea that it&#8217;s OK to download this stuff, not the person who has been &#8216;hoodwinked&#8217;.</p>
<p>This teenager should have been let off completely on the condition she does a small commercial &#8216;condemning&#8217; the sharp practise that &#8217;suckered&#8217; her and millions of others just because they wanted to host &#8216;pay-per-view&#8217; &amp; &#8216;pay-per-action&#8217; advertising which will have earned them probably Millions.</p>
<p>Pete.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Data</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98555</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, but I may disagree with the whole thing. I don&#039;t believe that people have to be punished for downloading pirated music. At the end of the day, it&#039;s not their fault that the songs are available for the to download for free. If those Copyright maniacs really want to prevent people from downloading their music they have to technically block those files, and not make traps for people who download them.
Plus, let&#039;s say that a song is played on the radio, and I decided to record it, will they then have the right to arrest me! It&#039;s just the same situation as peer to peer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but I may disagree with the whole thing. I don&#8217;t believe that people have to be punished for downloading pirated music. At the end of the day, it&#8217;s not their fault that the songs are available for the to download for free. If those Copyright maniacs really want to prevent people from downloading their music they have to technically block those files, and not make traps for people who download them.<br />
Plus, let&#8217;s say that a song is played on the radio, and I decided to record it, will they then have the right to arrest me! It&#8217;s just the same situation as peer to peer.</p>
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		<title>By: PartyBarty</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98546</link>
		<dc:creator>PartyBarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem lies in the way society deals with/reacts on music downloading. I&#039;m not a US citizen but i assume the overall mentality isn&#039;t so different from the one in Europe. Parents don&#039;t care that their kids download music but they&#039;re upset if their son would steal some candy in a shop. I don&#039;t approve of this, but it is the sad truth. Music/movie/... downloading is accepted as normal behaviour by almost anyone. When you are surrounded by friends, family,... who probably all do the same thing i can understand that some ignorant kids fail to comprehend the &quot;magnitude&quot; of what they are doing. I&#039;m not quite sure how i stand on using deterrence (high fines) as the way to deal with the problem (you punish one kid in a million) + record labels have already earned moooore than enough money on the expense of both artists and listeners. A lot of small labels show that CD-prices can be dropped, thus making downloading less acceptable and less &quot;necessary&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem lies in the way society deals with/reacts on music downloading. I&#8217;m not a US citizen but i assume the overall mentality isn&#8217;t so different from the one in Europe. Parents don&#8217;t care that their kids download music but they&#8217;re upset if their son would steal some candy in a shop. I don&#8217;t approve of this, but it is the sad truth. Music/movie/&#8230; downloading is accepted as normal behaviour by almost anyone. When you are surrounded by friends, family,&#8230; who probably all do the same thing i can understand that some ignorant kids fail to comprehend the &#8220;magnitude&#8221; of what they are doing. I&#8217;m not quite sure how i stand on using deterrence (high fines) as the way to deal with the problem (you punish one kid in a million) + record labels have already earned moooore than enough money on the expense of both artists and listeners. A lot of small labels show that CD-prices can be dropped, thus making downloading less acceptable and less &#8220;necessary&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: NeutralAngel</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98534</link>
		<dc:creator>NeutralAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$200 for a 16 year old is pretty close to $750 for a college educated adult. Seems fair to me, and certainly a far cry from &#039;get out of jail FREE.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$200 for a 16 year old is pretty close to $750 for a college educated adult. Seems fair to me, and certainly a far cry from &#8216;get out of jail FREE.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98487</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was ignorant enough to get caught, so you never know.</description>
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		<title>By: HSO</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98480</link>
		<dc:creator>HSO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$200 rather than a potential $750 = less severe punishment in my mind. &quot;Less severe&quot; still implies &quot;severe&quot; punishment, just less of it.  Make of it what you will. I didn&#039;t even offer an opinion on whether I felt the punishment was justified; I was merely commenting that ignorance is not a valid defense (as Mark had put it) but rather should be viewed as a mitigating factor in determining compensation.

As for me being part of a broken system ... it&#039;s a job I reluctantly took to pay bills when I realized there was zero opportunity for me to work in my chosen career after I moved to London. Honestly, I can&#039;t stand working in IP. It sucks more than you can possibly imagine and most days I feel like throwing myself off a tall building, and until you&#039;ve worked in IP, you cannot imagine it. Trust me on this. Almost no one chooses to work in IP - it chooses you. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$200 rather than a potential $750 = less severe punishment in my mind. &#8220;Less severe&#8221; still implies &#8220;severe&#8221; punishment, just less of it.  Make of it what you will. I didn&#8217;t even offer an opinion on whether I felt the punishment was justified; I was merely commenting that ignorance is not a valid defense (as Mark had put it) but rather should be viewed as a mitigating factor in determining compensation.</p>
<p>As for me being part of a broken system &#8230; it&#8217;s a job I reluctantly took to pay bills when I realized there was zero opportunity for me to work in my chosen career after I moved to London. Honestly, I can&#8217;t stand working in IP. It sucks more than you can possibly imagine and most days I feel like throwing myself off a tall building, and until you&#8217;ve worked in IP, you cannot imagine it. Trust me on this. Almost no one chooses to work in IP &#8211; it chooses you. :(</p>
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		<title>By: John R</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/15/is-ignorance-a-valid-legal-defense-for-file-sharing/#comment-98470</link>
		<dc:creator>John R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting aside the legalities of whether ingonrance is a usable defense, this case just reiterates the problems of copyright associated with physically intangible material.

Look at the problem through the eyes of a 16 year old - if you steal a car, or a loaf of bread, you can clearly understand how you have deprived somebody of something.

However music, like software, is physically immaterial so although the words &quot;stealing music&quot; make sense, the actuality of the act does not. How can you have &quot;stolen&quot; it if someone else also has a copy?

The problem is compounded by how music is presented in society - you can listen to it on the radio for freee (advertising revenue is immaterial to a 16 year old). The problem is exactly the same for torrent distribution of TV episodes - in the mind of a 16 year old how can it really be theft if it is broadcast on tv? You can watch it for free when it is broadcast and you can go to your neighbour&#039;s house and watch it.

These are adult concepts beyond simply understanding &quot;it is against the law&quot; - especially if the law seems particularly stupid and at odds with the reality of listening to &quot;free&quot; radio and watching &quot;free&quot; tv.

The law needs to change. The music industry needs to try a new angle.

Just my $0.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting aside the legalities of whether ingonrance is a usable defense, this case just reiterates the problems of copyright associated with physically intangible material.</p>
<p>Look at the problem through the eyes of a 16 year old &#8211; if you steal a car, or a loaf of bread, you can clearly understand how you have deprived somebody of something.</p>
<p>However music, like software, is physically immaterial so although the words &#8220;stealing music&#8221; make sense, the actuality of the act does not. How can you have &#8220;stolen&#8221; it if someone else also has a copy?</p>
<p>The problem is compounded by how music is presented in society &#8211; you can listen to it on the radio for freee (advertising revenue is immaterial to a 16 year old). The problem is exactly the same for torrent distribution of TV episodes &#8211; in the mind of a 16 year old how can it really be theft if it is broadcast on tv? You can watch it for free when it is broadcast and you can go to your neighbour&#8217;s house and watch it.</p>
<p>These are adult concepts beyond simply understanding &#8220;it is against the law&#8221; &#8211; especially if the law seems particularly stupid and at odds with the reality of listening to &#8220;free&#8221; radio and watching &#8220;free&#8221; tv.</p>
<p>The law needs to change. The music industry needs to try a new angle.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02</p>
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		<title>By: Mackenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance cannot, in any case that I&#039;m aware of, be used as a defense in the US.  If you stab someone, but you don&#039;t know that&#039;s bad, you&#039;re still guilty of stabbing someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance cannot, in any case that I&#8217;m aware of, be used as a defense in the US.  If you stab someone, but you don&#8217;t know that&#8217;s bad, you&#8217;re still guilty of stabbing someone.</p>
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		<title>By: kvon</title>
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		<dc:creator>kvon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She would be tried as an adult in a murder trial at 16, she knew what she was doing she just had the teenage mentality that she would not get caught, that only happens to other people right???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She would be tried as an adult in a murder trial at 16, she knew what she was doing she just had the teenage mentality that she would not get caught, that only happens to other people right???</p>
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		<title>By: jdw24b</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdw24b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HSO:

I agree with some of your statement, mostly that the girl knows what she&#039;s doing, but $200/song is beyond punishment, it&#039;s as ignorant as beating up an adult that bullied you in elementary school. Saying it&#039;s &quot;less severe&quot; shows you&#039;re (sic) part of the same broken system.

I believe Trent Reznor has shown one way to sell music online; perhaps his criticized method is not as lucrative as raping the public at $18/CD, but it does have the fortitude of honesty behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HSO:</p>
<p>I agree with some of your statement, mostly that the girl knows what she&#8217;s doing, but $200/song is beyond punishment, it&#8217;s as ignorant as beating up an adult that bullied you in elementary school. Saying it&#8217;s &#8220;less severe&#8221; shows you&#8217;re (sic) part of the same broken system.</p>
<p>I believe Trent Reznor has shown one way to sell music online; perhaps his criticized method is not as lucrative as raping the public at $18/CD, but it does have the fortitude of honesty behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Binary Assassin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binary Assassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm.. I think I will. Then I will probably feel like an idiot. ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm.. I think I will. Then I will probably feel like an idiot. ;P</p>
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