Comments on: Will MySpace Suicide Case Set Dangerous Legal Precedent?

By: BelchSpeak

BelchSpeak — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:19:36 +0000

I blogged about this too and came to the same conclusion that this is a bad law to use to prosecute Lori Drew. The woman is scum and deserves some jailtime, but using hacker laws (which work just fine to prosecute hackers) to get a conviction for harrassment is silly.

but seriously, Los Angeles, where they are prosecuting this case, has a really bad track record for convicting anyone of any important cases. Lori Drew will walk just like OJ.

By: Mickey Blue Eyes

Mickey Blue Eyes — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:10:14 +0000

In a sense, it makes sense. Think of all the criminals who have done despicable things but were only convicted of unrelated charges. For example Al Capone was not convicted of Volstead Act violations or or murder. He was convicted of tax evasion. He was sent to prison, including Alcatraz!, for essentially the rest of his life. I think one can argue that tax evasion is a lesser crime than murder — you’re just depriving the government of income and not violating anyone’s life or liberty. And other tax evaders have not been sent to a maximum security prison for the rest of their lives.

Yes, she violated the MySpace TOS, but she did it for the purpose of harassing a minor and encourage her to commit suicide. Is telling someone to kill themselves and then they it considered murder? I guess that is up for a jury to find out. And if it takes a TOS violation to get the case to trial, then so be it.

If she is convicted and does hard time in prison, I would hope that judges and juries (except the OJS jury) would have enough sense to not equate “murder” with “saying negative things about a corporation”. Should someone do hard time for saying “Comcast sucks”? No, of course not. Should someone do hard time for harassing someone and encouraging them to commit suicide? Definitely.

By: HSO

HSO — Sat, 17 May 2008 09:49:20 +0000

My knowledge of criminal statutes is a bit crap, but because I work in IP I do know much more about contracts. In my unqualified opinion, web site Terms of Service is a binding contract between two parties, the consumer and the provider. It is not a contract between the consumer and the Federal government.

And it seems to me that MySpace would have to press charges for this violation of the ToS, not Federal prosecutors. Is MySpace doing that? Maybe I missed it. So under what authority can the Feds charge her? Wire fraud is a massive stretch as this would require evidence of either extortion for monetary gain or some other deliberate criminal activity for the purpose of making money. Any newbie lawyer should be able to win this lady’s case.

Anyway, what a bunch of totalitarian, police- and nanny-state crap. Where can I unsubscribe from the American dream? Oh, wait, I already have – I moved to London. Nevermind, America.

By: Charles A Limburg

Charles A Limburg — Sat, 17 May 2008 03:36:14 +0000

I think there is more to this than just TOS. This is also a case of harassment with malicious intent which falls under a number of other laws. The AUSA’s probably have a whole list of other indictments attached to this as they know some may get thrown out. That’s the way the system works. Federal prosecutors don’t go into court with a single charge. They usually go in with dozens of charges/indictments. Al Capone’s legal defense got around the racketeering, murder and other indictments but the tax evasion indictment prevailed.

This article was written by someone who obviously doesn’t understand how the system works and didn’t do his homework. So he spun FUD out of it. There’s not not going to be some TOS violation that we have to fear. The legal system will whittle this down to a case starting with TOS but will eventually evolve to what it is, an adult predator using the internet to prey on a minor.

By: Jon

Jon — Sat, 17 May 2008 02:40:39 +0000

Tricky… I think the prosecution might be stretching things a bit here, and I hope the case isn’t successful.

Looking deeper though, what happened wasn’t right. An adult should never be allowed to treat a child in such an intentionally destructive manner. I haven’t heard of any “Megan” laws being proposed, has anyone else?

By: Fen

Fen — Fri, 16 May 2008 22:12:53 +0000

This is all completely ridiculous. You can’t press criminal charges on someone for violating terms of service. I mean, the Internet IS serious fucking business, but people are just making themselves look stupid when they try to convict someone of an Internet crime with a piece of legislation from 1986. It’s only been amended three times since then: once in ‘94, once in ‘96, and then once in 2001 (but by the Patriot Act). Now, it may just be me, but I think that places it just a tad out of date.