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		<title>By: HIGHER OCTANE FUEL SAVE MONEY</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/07/save-money-on-gas-and-protect-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-122833</link>
		<dc:creator>HIGHER OCTANE FUEL SAVE MONEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Save money on gas and protect the environment  Higher octane fuel simply burns slower, making it less likely to explode &#8230; In fact, using higher octane fuel than recommended for your vehicle can actually &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Save money on gas and protect the environment  Higher octane fuel simply burns slower, making it less likely to explode &#8230; In fact, using higher octane fuel than recommended for your vehicle can actually &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chowmein</title>
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		<dc:creator>chowmein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yess baby - i do like to get my hands on a distributer or 3. I&#039;m kinda lovin the whole eco goth look on the new ones mind. But i have found a few of them to be a bit on the dodgy side if you know what I&#039;m sayin bros of the west .... now you cant say I didnt warn U ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yess baby &#8211; i do like to get my hands on a distributer or 3. I&#8217;m kinda lovin the whole eco goth look on the new ones mind. But i have found a few of them to be a bit on the dodgy side if you know what I&#8217;m sayin bros of the west &#8230;. now you cant say I didnt warn U ??</p>
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		<title>By: Chipping the web - capital -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/07/save-money-on-gas-and-protect-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-2281</link>
		<dc:creator>Chipping the web - capital -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and sixth guest posts on [GAS], in which I move from regular gas to gassing the regulator. I hadn&#8217;t seen this post by Randy when I wrote that last one, or I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and sixth guest posts on [GAS], in which I move from regular gas to gassing the regulator. I hadn&#8217;t seen this post by Randy when I wrote that last one, or I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I corrected the post based on your observations, Chuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I corrected the post based on your observations, Chuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/07/save-money-on-gas-and-protect-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, niqdanger.  Any car over about 15 years old may not have the computer-driven knock control.

Yeah, if the dealer complains about the gas, they&#039;ll have to verify octane by testing it!  My lips are sealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, niqdanger.  Any car over about 15 years old may not have the computer-driven knock control.</p>
<p>Yeah, if the dealer complains about the gas, they&#8217;ll have to verify octane by testing it!  My lips are sealed.</p>
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		<title>By: niqdanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>niqdanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You fancy people with your computer controlled cars... my  truck doesn&#039;t have a computer and I have to rotate the distributer to set the timing. It will burn most anything but 89 seems to be the least noisy.

Just be careful with your trials and if there is a bad result, don&#039;t push your car. Even if totally unrelated, saying you were doing gas experiments if something happens, you don&#039;t want to get blamed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fancy people with your computer controlled cars&#8230; my  truck doesn&#8217;t have a computer and I have to rotate the distributer to set the timing. It will burn most anything but 89 seems to be the least noisy.</p>
<p>Just be careful with your trials and if there is a bad result, don&#8217;t push your car. Even if totally unrelated, saying you were doing gas experiments if something happens, you don&#8217;t want to get blamed!</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/07/save-money-on-gas-and-protect-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to self: to generate more interesting comments on a post, write about a controversial subject that you know little about.

Thanks for the comments and corrections, folks.

I&#039;m going to try out regular on my car, see how it does, and report back.  That will probably not happen for a week or more, though, because I work from home (an even better way to reduce pollution).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to self: to generate more interesting comments on a post, write about a controversial subject that you know little about.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and corrections, folks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to try out regular on my car, see how it does, and report back.  That will probably not happen for a week or more, though, because I work from home (an even better way to reduce pollution).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all fine and dandy until you actually try it..  I read about this a few years ago.  Tried it in both of our cars, and they both knocked like mad on any kind of acceleration.  Screw that.

If you want to &quot;save money on gas and protect the environment&quot;, get a bicycle.  Switching from Premium to Regular isn&#039;t even a drop in the bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all fine and dandy until you actually try it..  I read about this a few years ago.  Tried it in both of our cars, and they both knocked like mad on any kind of acceleration.  Screw that.</p>
<p>If you want to &#8220;save money on gas and protect the environment&#8221;, get a bicycle.  Switching from Premium to Regular isn&#8217;t even a drop in the bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/04/07/save-money-on-gas-and-protect-the-environment/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post says &quot;Oxygenation helps to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, so the EPA encouraged the use of MTBE&quot;, but is that the correct reason? The linked EPA page about MBTE, seems to say that MBTE is added primarily to reduce polution/smog (carbon monoxide, ozone, etc).

Of course, a cleaner burning fuel is more efficient, so less carbon dioxide is output per mile driven - but that isn&#039;t why the EPA encouraged the use of MBTA. In fact, the EPA has refused to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. 

Ironically, just this week the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040200487.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supreme Court ruled that the EPA must regulate carbon dioxide&lt;/a&gt; just like all other pollution covered by the Clear Air Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post says &#8220;Oxygenation helps to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, so the EPA encouraged the use of MTBE&#8221;, but is that the correct reason? The linked EPA page about MBTE, seems to say that MBTE is added primarily to reduce polution/smog (carbon monoxide, ozone, etc).</p>
<p>Of course, a cleaner burning fuel is more efficient, so less carbon dioxide is output per mile driven &#8211; but that isn&#8217;t why the EPA encouraged the use of MBTA. In fact, the EPA has refused to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. </p>
<p>Ironically, just this week the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040200487.html" rel="nofollow">Supreme Court ruled that the EPA must regulate carbon dioxide</a> just like all other pollution covered by the Clear Air Act.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra Ekman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezra Ekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Experimentation&quot; isn&#039;t generally necessary with most newer vehicles.  The auto industry is fairly clear on this: use what your manufacturer recommends.  This isn&#039;t just to prevent ignorant consumers from messing with things they don&#039;t understand or to decrease potential liability.  It is because in this case, those recommendations are accurate.

Higher octane ratings don&#039;t equate to increased power.  Higher octane fuel simply burns slower, making it less likely to explode spontaneously while under compression, thus causing the &quot;knocking&quot; or &quot;pinging&quot; noises you mentioned.  In fact, using higher octane fuel than recommended for your vehicle can actually cause decreased performance and leave detergent deposits and carbon buildup in your engine, decreasing performance even further.  And of course, this will also decrease your gas mileage.  Then again, if you&#039;re looking a way to help burn through money faster (pun definitely intended), be my guest; buy the higher octane.

The short version is this: The Car Talk folks were right.  Unless your vehicle is older and you&#039;re hearing the knocking and pinging that indicate uncontrolled combustion, stick to what the manual tells you to use.  If your manual isn&#039;t available, contact the manufacturer and ask them directly.  They&#039;ll probably need your VIN to identify the make and model (they don&#039;t always want to take your word for it), so have it handy.

Don&#039;t be fooled by the term &quot;grade&quot;.  In this case, it doesn&#039;t mean &quot;better&quot;.  It means &quot;different&quot;, and has specific uses for specific vehicles.  Using the grade that doesn&#039;t match your vehicle is bad for your car, bad for the environment, and bad for your wallet.  :-)

     Ezra Ekman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Experimentation&#8221; isn&#8217;t generally necessary with most newer vehicles.  The auto industry is fairly clear on this: use what your manufacturer recommends.  This isn&#8217;t just to prevent ignorant consumers from messing with things they don&#8217;t understand or to decrease potential liability.  It is because in this case, those recommendations are accurate.</p>
<p>Higher octane ratings don&#8217;t equate to increased power.  Higher octane fuel simply burns slower, making it less likely to explode spontaneously while under compression, thus causing the &#8220;knocking&#8221; or &#8220;pinging&#8221; noises you mentioned.  In fact, using higher octane fuel than recommended for your vehicle can actually cause decreased performance and leave detergent deposits and carbon buildup in your engine, decreasing performance even further.  And of course, this will also decrease your gas mileage.  Then again, if you&#8217;re looking a way to help burn through money faster (pun definitely intended), be my guest; buy the higher octane.</p>
<p>The short version is this: The Car Talk folks were right.  Unless your vehicle is older and you&#8217;re hearing the knocking and pinging that indicate uncontrolled combustion, stick to what the manual tells you to use.  If your manual isn&#8217;t available, contact the manufacturer and ask them directly.  They&#8217;ll probably need your VIN to identify the make and model (they don&#8217;t always want to take your word for it), so have it handy.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by the term &#8220;grade&#8221;.  In this case, it doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;better&#8221;.  It means &#8220;different&#8221;, and has specific uses for specific vehicles.  Using the grade that doesn&#8217;t match your vehicle is bad for your car, bad for the environment, and bad for your wallet.  :-)</p>
<p>     Ezra Ekman</p>
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		<title>By: New Truth - same as the old truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Truth - same as the old truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another tiny step in the right direction, but it&#039;s not helping &#039;protect the environment&#039; in any way. 

If you went into a dark alley and someone jumped out and hit you with a baseball bat fifty times in a minute, that would be bad, right? So, if they offered you an option where they only hit you forty times in a minute, that would be &#039;better&#039;, right? wrong. forty beatings in a minute is *still* forty beatings in a minute. &#039;Less bad&#039; is not the same thing as &#039;better&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another tiny step in the right direction, but it&#8217;s not helping &#8216;protect the environment&#8217; in any way. </p>
<p>If you went into a dark alley and someone jumped out and hit you with a baseball bat fifty times in a minute, that would be bad, right? So, if they offered you an option where they only hit you forty times in a minute, that would be &#8216;better&#8217;, right? wrong. forty beatings in a minute is *still* forty beatings in a minute. &#8216;Less bad&#8217; is not the same thing as &#8216;better&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your car was designed to run premium gas, running a lower octane may cause your car to run less efficiently, leading to decreased performance and increased fuel usage.   The amount of impact this has is dependent on a large number of conditions including how optimized the specific engine is for a certain type of fuel.  I drive a 96 Nissan Maxima and using regular fuel results in decreased performance and at least a 10% decrease in fuel economy.  It&#039;s probably best experimenting with your specific car before proceeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your car was designed to run premium gas, running a lower octane may cause your car to run less efficiently, leading to decreased performance and increased fuel usage.   The amount of impact this has is dependent on a large number of conditions including how optimized the specific engine is for a certain type of fuel.  I drive a 96 Nissan Maxima and using regular fuel results in decreased performance and at least a 10% decrease in fuel economy.  It&#8217;s probably best experimenting with your specific car before proceeding.</p>
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