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	<title>Comments on: Run Linux on HP Computers, Lose Warranty</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Dunston</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-107180</link>
		<dc:creator>James Dunston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I contacted their voice support line, and they told me the same thing once.  I don't remember exactly what I said, but it amounted to "Are you stupid?  I'm talking about hardware."  Ignored his arguments, and continued to ask about the hardware problem until he finally answered me.  This was at least 8 months ago, so I have no idea if it will still work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I contacted their voice support line, and they told me the same thing once.  I don&#8217;t remember exactly what I said, but it amounted to &#8220;Are you stupid?  I&#8217;m talking about hardware.&#8221;  Ignored his arguments, and continued to ask about the hardware problem until he finally answered me.  This was at least 8 months ago, so I have no idea if it will still work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-107089</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've sent my HP laptop back for warranty service twice now, once with Ubuntu, second time with PCLinuxOS on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sent my HP laptop back for warranty service twice now, once with Ubuntu, second time with PCLinuxOS on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of HARDWARE problems.  If you need to replace hardware and it's still under warranty, would you rather deal with tech support and get it replaced free, or pay on ebay to get a questionable part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of HARDWARE problems.  If you need to replace hardware and it&#8217;s still under warranty, would you rather deal with tech support and get it replaced free, or pay on ebay to get a questionable part?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-101189</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 - Why would you buy a new laptop?  Especially Dell or HP.  Buy a used Lenovo, Thinkpad, Fujitsu, Panasonic, something of good quality.  Then load it up with a Linux distro.

2 - Why would you call support for answers when you can Google almost all problems with a Linux machine and get solutions?

Consumers must change their behavior and be smart about their technology.  
Besides, any support person who is not conversant in Linux is not worth their paycheck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 - Why would you buy a new laptop?  Especially Dell or HP.  Buy a used Lenovo, Thinkpad, Fujitsu, Panasonic, something of good quality.  Then load it up with a Linux distro.</p>
<p>2 - Why would you call support for answers when you can Google almost all problems with a Linux machine and get solutions?</p>
<p>Consumers must change their behavior and be smart about their technology.<br />
Besides, any support person who is not conversant in Linux is not worth their paycheck.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-95042</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Linux on HP laptop too. Just make them clear what hardware is defect without telling them you use Linux. I sent those b****rds my laptop for reparation with a new harddisk in it, Vista nicely fresh installed via recovery DVD. No one even complained it was another brand harddisk :-). When I got my laptop back I changed harddisk back again and voila, Linux I'm back!

My next laptop will be a Dell, with Linux of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Linux on HP laptop too. Just make them clear what hardware is defect without telling them you use Linux. I sent those b****rds my laptop for reparation with a new harddisk in it, Vista nicely fresh installed via recovery DVD. No one even complained it was another brand harddisk :-). When I got my laptop back I changed harddisk back again and voila, Linux I&#8217;m back!</p>
<p>My next laptop will be a Dell, with Linux of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Kiltak</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiltak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I put myself on the company side, I can understand their position. Having to train support people on both OS would very costly at first, and support agent would probably start asking higher salary later. In the end, consumers would end up paying more for a computer, which clearly is something that nobody wants.

However, computer manufacturers usually ask customers to run a diagnostic CD before digging further into any problems. This kind of procedure does not need windows and will detect most hardware failures right away, so running linux on a box should not really be considered if the person calling for support reports a hardware problem that was discovered via this CD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I put myself on the company side, I can understand their position. Having to train support people on both OS would very costly at first, and support agent would probably start asking higher salary later. In the end, consumers would end up paying more for a computer, which clearly is something that nobody wants.</p>
<p>However, computer manufacturers usually ask customers to run a diagnostic CD before digging further into any problems. This kind of procedure does not need windows and will detect most hardware failures right away, so running linux on a box should not really be considered if the person calling for support reports a hardware problem that was discovered via this CD.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/03/28/run-linux-on-hp-computers-lose-warranty/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this reinforces my belief that HP has the worst customer service.  I mean, Gateway and HP are on equal footing on the Linux thing.  However, Gateway's tech support A) never told me that formatting the hard drive would leave all data intact (yes, HP's said this) B) speaks fluent, understandable English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this reinforces my belief that HP has the worst customer service.  I mean, Gateway and HP are on equal footing on the Linux thing.  However, Gateway&#8217;s tech support A) never told me that formatting the hard drive would leave all data intact (yes, HP&#8217;s said this) B) speaks fluent, understandable English.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If keys are physically sticking, that is obviously nothing to do with the OS and there is no way clicking any amount of things in the OS will fix it.  Likewise, if the hard drive is clicking or whirring, the OS has nothing to do with it.  "My video card doesn't work under Linux"?  Okay, that can either be drivers OR the card.  Test the card.  

I've had Gateway tell me I would have to reinstall Windows.  I backed up my Linux install and did so.  Their solution to an overheating laptop?  Reinstall Windows.  Excuse me?  Reinstalling Windows is not going to magically give my laptop a better heatsink and ventilation.  I gave up and got a laptop cooling pad.  IMO, the only way to get them to stop pussy-footing and claiming it's configuration and actually replace your stuff with working hardware is to send it without a hard drive.  Other techs have said it too.  If you send your hard drive, they can see your stuff, so privacy is a concern.  If you send your hard drive, they'll reinstall Windows (jeez, I coulda done something stupid like that myself) as a "solution."  That's only a solution if it's a software problem (in which case, why's that going on warranty?  that probably means you need a proper virus scan and rootkit detector).  They don't need your hard drive to replace a keyboard, graphics card, or sound card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If keys are physically sticking, that is obviously nothing to do with the OS and there is no way clicking any amount of things in the OS will fix it.  Likewise, if the hard drive is clicking or whirring, the OS has nothing to do with it.  &#8220;My video card doesn&#8217;t work under Linux&#8221;?  Okay, that can either be drivers OR the card.  Test the card.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had Gateway tell me I would have to reinstall Windows.  I backed up my Linux install and did so.  Their solution to an overheating laptop?  Reinstall Windows.  Excuse me?  Reinstalling Windows is not going to magically give my laptop a better heatsink and ventilation.  I gave up and got a laptop cooling pad.  IMO, the only way to get them to stop pussy-footing and claiming it&#8217;s configuration and actually replace your stuff with working hardware is to send it without a hard drive.  Other techs have said it too.  If you send your hard drive, they can see your stuff, so privacy is a concern.  If you send your hard drive, they&#8217;ll reinstall Windows (jeez, I coulda done something stupid like that myself) as a &#8220;solution.&#8221;  That&#8217;s only a solution if it&#8217;s a software problem (in which case, why&#8217;s that going on warranty?  that probably means you need a proper virus scan and rootkit detector).  They don&#8217;t need your hard drive to replace a keyboard, graphics card, or sound card.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Albright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don't think it's unfair or unrealistic. In order to provide support for a computer, support reps are going to ask you to do various things in the software to try to fix the problem before stepping up to more expensive and difficult hardware solutions. And supporting Windows is difficult enough; things get all the more complicated when another OS is thrown into the mix. Limited "official" support comes with the territory of switching to Linux…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unfair or unrealistic. In order to provide support for a computer, support reps are going to ask you to do various things in the software to try to fix the problem before stepping up to more expensive and difficult hardware solutions. And supporting Windows is difficult enough; things get all the more complicated when another OS is thrown into the mix. Limited &#8220;official&#8221; support comes with the territory of switching to Linux…</p>
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